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Post by .Dumb on Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:28 pm

theres 1 time a vamp got rlly fat cuz got alot fking feeders the he could break all. walls.i wanted to end him but by using ALOT of end games+no miss upgrade still cant kill the vamp.i wanted to use the end but it was 250k.i only had about 130k n the vamp already broke my base.Isnt the end too expensive?why not 150k?
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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by MySpaceBarBroke on Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:32 pm

Not sure if this is correct but, if there are other players that have a base and there base falls they retreat to the best players base and possibly harvests and spams gms and then pools that player, then they get end game?

Perhaps?
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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by !|cff0000ffClue on Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:53 pm

The End is actually cheap since it can kill anything in 1 hit. If you know how to manage your gold well, you can get lots of gold/minute.
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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by Englocked on Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:24 pm

Well put yourself in the vamp shoes : you keep destroying bases, you get ton of feed and buy the best items but still one human manage to beat you. It wouldn't be fair.

Still if you had 130k gold you could have easily made your base unbreakable, try using stacked goldmines instead of walls since are absolutely worthless when vamp has good item and/or is level 100.
I once fed the vamp so he could afford level 100 and the best items but still he wasn't able to break in my base. And I can get such a base at 30' mark

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Post by MySpaceBarBroke on Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:19 pm

You mean using gold mines as walls then mass stacking them?
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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by Greg on Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:00 pm

The End is at a great price... I have gotten it many times... You just have to spam gold mines...

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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by pikachu88 on Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:20 pm

yea , yesterday i had an one hour game . Initially i did not plan to build GG tower . The vamp was well fed and level 94 . Most of the players had died into small vamp and killed by me . I massed around 20 level 3 end game comets plus wall of purity . I had 3 walls over there arranged in this order : Tank , Gold and snow . Spike is useless since the vamp had an immunity shield . His items were 2 tigers , one "satanic"(i forgot the name) and 2 +800 shields and one immunity shield . He tried few times to break my base but blocked by my slayer with full tanking gears . Both of us couldnt end the game while the host was begging us to end the game ASAP (that time was 3.30 a.m. , everyone is sleepy ) . I stacked GM and i built all the yellow , red and green GM . Roughly 20 mins later i gt 250k and end the game .

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Post by !|cff0000ffClue on Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:40 pm

I need roughly 40 minutes from game start to get a The End if I did not use Anti-V3x method or upgrade my wall to End Game. For perfection, The End takes roughly 50 minute to 1 hour.
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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by pikachu88 on Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:10 am

!|cff0000ffClue wrote:I need roughly 40 minutes from game start to get a The End if I did not use Anti-V3x method or upgrade my wall to End Game. For perfection, The End takes roughly 50 minute to 1 hour.

You did not make you wall to the end meaning the vamp had no good items . Couple of end game comets would take him down isnt it?

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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by alvinchiew on Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:22 am

i build The End at 44 + - minutes, coz i spam too much on defense

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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by Gippal on Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:46 am

there's 1 time... when me & alvin fighting againts an overfeed vamp..

& he just waiting the 40min gold... there's just left me & alvin..

to kill the vamp we have to make the end..

but at that time alvin got 100k & i also have 100k...

easy ways.. i transfer all my gold to him... since his base are inpenetrable.. << is this a word?

anyway.. i think the cost is ok i guess...
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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by rinxx420 on Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:56 am

EndGame is easy to get just pool gold with a person or two
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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by alvinchiew on Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:00 am

GIPPAL MY DEAREST T-T where you nowadays in GG long time no see u hahahaha~~ when they hell is my base become impenetrable =.=..... my base just mass laggesss the vamp + maxed comet lvl 3 xDDDD

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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by Englocked on Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:43 am

Got the end at 36'40" without spending gold on defenses

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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by Greg on Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:40 am

How did you spend no gold on defense... Didn't up your wall? No Towers?

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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by rqx on Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:17 pm

On average I take about an hour to save up to the end by myself. I usually spend a lot of money upgrading my base and building walls + towers though (maybe 90 - 100k)

If the end game cost is reduced I think the vamp's chances of winning late game will suck big time

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Post by Englocked on Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:58 pm

Greg wrote:How did you spend no gold on defense... Didn't up your wall? No Towers?

Just had 1 level 1 e.g comet and a diamond wall with 1 armor upgrade. Vamp was noob of course Razz

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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by rqx on Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:13 pm

Englocked wrote:
Greg wrote:How did you spend no gold on defense... Didn't up your wall? No Towers?
Just had 1 level 1 e.g comet and a diamond wall with 1 armor upgrade. Vamp was noob of course Razz
Maybe he's not the only noob.. Why would you need The End to kill a vamp who can't break a diamond wall? And show us your replay of a 36 minute The End please

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Post by !|cff0000ffClue on Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:20 pm

rqx wrote:
Englocked wrote:
Greg wrote:How did you spend no gold on defense... Didn't up your wall? No Towers?
Just had 1 level 1 e.g comet and a diamond wall with 1 armor upgrade. Vamp was noob of course Razz
Maybe he's not the only noob.. Why would you need The End to kill a vamp who can't break a diamond wall? And show us your replay of a 36 minute The End please
LOL, 36 is quite long. My record was 27 minute... though it was 6 player pool gold @.@
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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by Englocked on Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:33 pm

rqx wrote:
Englocked wrote:
Greg wrote:How did you spend no gold on defense... Didn't up your wall? No Towers?
Just had 1 level 1 e.g comet and a diamond wall with 1 armor upgrade. Vamp was noob of course Razz
Maybe he's not the only noob.. Why would you need The End to kill a vamp who can't break a diamond wall? And show us your replay of a 36 minute The End please

Because I wanted to see how fast I can get The End? No need to come with your "maybe he was not the only noob..?". And I didn't save the replay since I can't see the point in saving such replay.

@Clue : Hmm ye, I guess it's easier with pool xD

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Post by rqx on Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:51 pm

Yes, I meant to show us 36 minutes without pooling.

I have calculated how much, on average my base actually costs. I typically can farm ~350,000 gold in one hour. That about 6,000 gold per minute. Your quote is 7,000 gold per minute.. I am too lazy to confirm the limit of 100% efficiency in gold mining.

As my table shows in the following spoiler, it costs me about 70,000 to build up my base, not including the cost of fire harvesters.
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Cost Quantity Description Total
2400 5 end game walls (gold, immunity, spike, purity, tank) 12000
2000 6 level 3 super comet 12000
8795 1 automatic homing missiles 8795
1000 6 level 2 super comet 6000
4600 1 level 4 wall armor upgrade 4600
880 5 onyx wall upgrades 4400
125 30 diamond mines 3750
500 7 super comet/oracle 3500
3100 1 level 3 wall armor upgrade 3100
440 5 diamond wall/diamond wall upgrade 2200
1600 1 base of operations 1600
1600 1 level 2 wall armor upgrade 1600
1000 1 faerie fire lvl 6 1000
500 2 level 3 super wall of health 1000
300 3 satyrs 900
600 1 command center 600
600 1 faerie fire lvl 5 600
20 20 tower hp upgrade 400
50 7 comet/oracle 350
300 1 slayer godlike upgrade 300
250 1 ruby wall 250
215 1 steroids upgrade 215
200 1 faerie fire lvl 4 200
200 1 goblin lumber house 200
150 1 goblin builder 150
100 1 faerie fire lvl 3 100
100 1 level 1 wall armor upgrade 100
50 2 level 2 super wall of health 100
55 1 human survival upgrade 55
50 1 faerie fire lvl 2 50
20 2 level 1 super wall of health 40
20 1 citadel of faith 20
20 1 faerie fire lvl 1 20
20 1 healing vitality upgrade 20
20 1 insane deforestation 20
15 1 vault of lights 15
10 1 blink extension upgrade 10
4 2 super tower builders 8
5 1 ultra research center 5
1 1 slayer's vault 1
70274

I can afford The End around 50 minutes by myself in a good game, after incurring all those costs to build my base. The thing is, I use multiple builders to spam gold mines like most experienced players and the build time of these mines limits my gold income until I max all of the mines at around 25-35 minutes. If you can build The End in 36 minutes by yourself, I don't know why the price needs to drop because it could be pooled in less than 25 minutes based on your quote.

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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by Englocked on Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:24 pm

Nice table Smile
I'm pretty sure I could build it before 36 mins, I'll save replay this time. And I never said it should cost less.

edit :35'45"

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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by MySpaceBarBroke on Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:13 pm

WOW YOU GUYS ARE SO SLOW...

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36 seconds...using greedisgood 50000000 and warpten Razz
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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by rqx on Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:53 am

Englocked wrote:Nice table Smile
I'm pretty sure I could build it before 36 mins, I'll save replay this time. And I never said it should cost less.

edit :35'45"
Nice farming!! Once you got all your gold mines in the gold per minute was 11,200 at the 24-25 minute mark and I think that's the max.. Your gold income exceeded 10,000 after 17 minutes or so.. The extra fang(s) made a pretty big difference. Good job.

and lol @ replay comments

MySpaceBarBroke wrote: WOW YOU GUYS ARE SO SLOW... ....36 seconds.....
Replay or GTFO!!!!! Laughing

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Re: Bah!The End Too expensive?

Post by .Dumb on Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:16 pm

i answer some questions.
why nvr up walls?i had already got alot walls.divine wall,tree wall, etc
why when 130k still cannot get 250k?cuz theres wuz not much space in my base,n the other humans were noob feeders as i said,they all left/died.
Gold mine wall:what for?if wont let me kill the vamp


n i edi spammed endgame with the no miss upgrade.vamp just constanly conc+heall+his armor from mask=cannot die by end games


Last edited by .Dumb on Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:22 pm; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : forgot something)
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